There, I’ve covered my assets. If ATF thinks these are SBRs, then the millions and millions of them that have been in private hands over the last decade are absolute, irrefutable PROOF that SBRs present no unique danger of criminal misuse. The ambiguous wiggle room in laws left up to the agencies is probably by design. You have heard nothing about unelected bureaucrats in the deep state acting on their own without guidance from anyone but other unelected bureaucrat over the last four years? This is the pistol brace that started it all. I may have to get a couple stripped lowers and register them as SBR’s for free. We’ll update this article with a link to the specific page at www.regulations.gov as soon as it’s available. “Slingshots are illegal to make or sell in Massachusetts.”, And New Jersey, at least in 1980. objective factors for classifying weapons with stabilizing braces, BREAKING: Texas AG Accuses Cheaper Than Dirt of Price Gouging, Gun Rights Supporters Battle Anti-Gun Groups in Funding Georgia Senate Runoff Races. While it would seem a few items are not open to interpretation, most are, and most are not clearly stated in any meaningful way. Brandon Maddox January 4, 2021. This is not accurate. … .. so i’ll just give this to you straight….. “White House orders pistol braces to be banned” Imagine clicking on your favorite news site or gun blog and reading those very words. As if some stupid law saying the barrel has to be 16 inches in order to have a shoulder stock on the gun is going to keep someone intent on breaking FAR more serious laws such as murder from sawing off the barrel or putting a shoulder stock on a pistol and proceeding to do whatever the heck they please. Or send a letter: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500. Update: The ATF announced that it has “withdrawn its guidance” concerning pistol braces, which means pistol brace guidelines will remain as they are, for the time being. Because a judge can’t just go “well clearly that’s not what the law was supposed to be about, so I’m going to treat this case as though it were written differently.” Unelected bureaucrats certainly can’t be allowed to do that. Maybe. ATF pistol brace ban 2020? Please refer to the document for the full list of “objective” factors by which ATF will determine “pistol” or “rifle.”. Free SBR? I suspect no braced Shockwave or TAC-14 would be acceptable, but who knows. (Rhetorical question, the answer is absolutely nothing.) Trump is the president right now…. May 1, 2020. Many in the shooting and hunting space have already sounded the alarm over the pending ATF pistol brace rule change. So no, as of this writing I wouldn’t suggest registering your pistol as an SBR. Beware of scammers and upstarts who see an opportunity to line their own pocket books now, but if either of these two organizations have a shot at making headway, I’ll support them and I hope you will, too. Biden made clear his intentions for gun ownership, and the pistol brace business would just be the beginning of the toll he’d like to take on the second amendment. For example: So this is, like, a rule that’s based on each individual person’s arm and wrist strength? I’m with him ^^^. On Dec. 23, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) announced it was withdrawing a notice and request for comments regarding stabilizing braces, entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces'" That aside, history shows the following understanding of the Constitutional test of law: If we the people can’t self-regulate (understand and comply with the law) the law is unconstitutional. Thus most owners of these items appear to have thumbed their noses at the rule. Or, better said, partial pistol brace ban. You don’t need a lawyer to know this. If I brace the wrong way wouId I be let out of jail like the dirtbags in NY and CA who actually misuse firearms? They got away with it once, why not go bigger? Atf should consider pistols like the do machine guns. If Biden is actually sworn in Bloomberg will be calling the shots for ATF — he bought and paid for it! A3 Tactical Offset Modular Side Folding Arm Brace for Tailhook - … \….)….)…. Slingshots and BB guns are deadly weapons. . Mechanically both are pistols (but then so are most submachineguns.) . FYI --- 1) SB 5444/HB 1387: A ban on unregistered semi-autos and magazines. Then I thought why should a pistol stock be illegal , it helps you shoot straighter, and if “They” don’t want you to shoot straight why aint sights illegal, so then I thought the BATFE must just like to fck with people because none of it makes any sense. The ATF is looking to crack down on a loophole that allows owners of AR-15s, AK-47s, and other automatic and semi-automatic rifles to modify their rifles into pistols by use of what's known in the industry as a "pistol brace." Well, yeah but ATF doesn’t have the power to do that. There have been .50 BMG pistols for decades that weigh 15+ pounds, which is a lot more than any AR pistol you’ll find. What seems obvious to one clearly escapes the other, regardless of protests. Jeremy can clarify, but as I understand it, an NFA serial number has to be a certain way to be legal. If short barreled rifles are so very dangerous, and ATF considers some percentage of these brace-equipped pistols to be short barreled rifles, why haven’t we seen a related increase in crime or in criminal acts committed with brace-equipped guns? This is what happened with Bump Stocks. So, while the opportunity remains, call the White House, and be nice while expressing your desire to see the rough ATF reigned in: 202-456-1111. Looks to me like they’re fixing to ban anything that resembles an SBR…. Should you choose to comply with the latest in ATF’s waffling and indecision and absurd “standards” related to pistol braces, the agency is all too happy to help (in the “we’re from the government, and we’re here to help you” sense): So, should your pistol not meet the “objective factors” detailed in this proposed document, fear not, you can register it as an SBR in an expedited process with the normal, $200 registration tax waived entirely. I feel like a lot of gun owners like complying. Your email address will not be published. According to the evidence list for the upcoming trail, the equipment that brought about the alleged infraction included a Maxim CQB Pistol AR 15 PDW brace, Stark Express angled foregrip, and a flash suppressor that added about two inches to the 7.75-inch barrel. They are used to kill small animals, and are very effective. When, if ever, will the populace wake up to this plain fact, and exercise the power that it has. Keep rattling the cage. Where are all the BLM protesters now? The BATFE has been making noises for the past year or so about reclassifying brace equipped pistols as NFA short barreled rifles. Brace-equipped pistols are still legal. For years the ATF has scrutinized the configurations of certain braces, announced that a brace cannot be legal shouldered and most recently issued a cease and desist letter to Q, LLC regarding the brace on the honey badger pistol. There is also no path to legal certainty for brace owners but ATF determination. If they don’t answer call a different one and voice your concern. The less it can have any reasonable expectation of keeping up with these shifts in ATF’s interpretations and their objectively subjective rules. Where was the outcry from American gun owners? The prior … I mean arm braces were ok, then holding it to the shoulder was a crime, then it was not. With everything going on the past 4 years? They were overwhelmed and couldn’t keep up. I suppose technically firing a pistol with two hands could be considered an illegal act. Yet, put a bipod on a pistol brace equipped firearm, and holistically speaking, you’re probably weighting the scale towards SBR instead of braced pistol, per the proposed rule making. Firearm law is serious, and we law-abiding gun owners want to and intend to stay on the up-and-up. They have, by law, been given the authority to interpret and enforce the law as they believe is correct. I know this will probably not happen, but perhaps instead of limiting the use of pistol braces, short barreled rifles be taken off of the NFA list as the widespread use of pistol braces have not lead to a new wave of pistol brace crimes. Offering fixed, adjustable and side-folding models, our braces enhance … You know, for our benefit. Well executed, I think it’s cool . That’s why there paying people off like Biden and Swalwell so they can slowly get what they want. Slingshot a few small rocks up into the murder (of crows/ravens, donchaknow), and they skedaddle. Or at times even trusted – just ask the children at Waco. They decided they could randomly redefine a two-piece plastic stock, completely independent of the gun’s trigger. I’m fine with deterministic definitions ( X length, Y weight, etc). Guidance documents are not binding and do not have the force of law. This is my opinion and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of SHWAT, LLC. © COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, poops like a duck. So what happens if you make or acquire one after the letter was posted? A political solution would be for the President to shut down this garbage. Basically, what type and configuration of firearm the rogue bureaucracy gives its blessing for adornment with a pistol stabilizing brace, and what type it claims is just a short barreled rifle in pistol clothing. Which they not only know, but explicitly state in this very document: To be clear once again, pistol braces are NOT being banned (start with the first complete sentence below): We’ve dealt with restrictions on what an acceptable brace format is in the past, such as the apparent 13.5-inch “length of pull” limit. Does any addition to the buffer tube cross the pistol-to-SBR fuzzy line? I’m not a lawyer, I don’t know. Let’s start several decades ago. All built on 80% lowers labeled #2, #3, #4 etc. I’m seen people shoot the unbraced ones one handed. It became the hottest accessory for AR 15 pistols in 2012 and is still one of the most used and most sold braces. Gun owners have won a huge Christmas Eve victory! I think that the draft BATFE document is longer than the US Constitution. As I’m sure you know, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives recently published a … Call your representatives. The ATF is at it again. No need to dig through hard copies of 4473s. For any particular situation, it is highly recommended that a licensed local attorney be consulted for an accurate interpretation. Add to Wish List Add to Compare. and the five hundred meter sights start to make sense. A pistol brace is legal because it doesn't add to the gun. I’m no stake holder in either of those, nor an affiliate, etc. But I’m kind of with you on the free SBR angle, it will greatly simplify how I want to configure it…. Who is a ‘Responsible Person’ on an NFA Trust? ATF's longstanding and publicly known position is that a firearm does not evade classification under the NFA merely because the firearm is configured with a device marketed as a “stabilizing Start Printed Page 82518 brace” or “arm brace.” When an accessory and a weapon's objective design features, taken together, are not consistent with use of the accessory as an arm brace… Let’s look at some of the keys and how the holistic/subjective nature of this proposed brace pseudo-ban work out. 3. In 2012, Alex Bosco of SB Tactical observed a disabled combat veteran struggling to manage a gun safely one-handed and crafted the first Pistol Stabilizing Brace in his garage. ATF Backs Down on Pistol Brace Ban and Registration. I ain’t into the SBR’s, when I used to hand load I was always trying to milk another hundred feet per second out of her, but if you want one why not. And citizens affected will have to sue to the SCOTUS. Also, the NFA is trash that’s very much counter to the point of the 2A. Someone tell Ruger that shipping the Charger pistol with a bipod means it’s a rifle. ….\…………..(…………)……………./. Why not? “…but with the proviso that this was not an across the board approval, but rather to be a review of each item submitted to ensure it follows the concepts laid forth. It will unquestionably affect far more than braces. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. In the meantime, give the document a read and post any questions in the comments. Weve all been conditioned by TV and movies to act like sheep. Then the Special Agent uses the “objective design features” to prove his point. Biden hates guns cause China hates us having them. This is why we need OBJECTIVE, WELL-WRITTEN CRITERIA to define what a stock is and isn’t to them. Initially designed by SB Tactical as a stability-improving device for wounded and disabled veterans, pistol braces are an ideal accessory for AR-15 pistols and pistol-grip shotguns due to the increased control, improved aim and additional support they provide. They get off on collecting stamps and ATF opinion letters. 2014: ATF rules against shouldering braces. This is why legal loopholes exist in the first place. There would appear to be a path to determination of legality for licensed firearm manufactures through submission to ATF. You Can’t Stop It. You have entered an incorrect email address! June 18, 2020; Lack of Reliable Magazines Limit Hornady’s 6mm ARC Cartridge Offerings June 9, 2020; Flash Sale – 10% Off EOTech – Expires 6/16/20 June 9, 2020 .\…………….\/…/….\. I mean it’s written so completely incompetantly you would need a team of lawyers just to make a determination. Slingshots are illegal to make or sell in Massachusetts. But as an American gun owner like you, I too have a stake in the outcome of the pending pistol brace rule change. Braces going away would certainly hinder the popularity of a lot of short guns, but if “large pistols” get called rifles or something else, a lot of the imports will be killed, sub gun styles like scorpion, APC, sp5 or mp5 guns, Bren, etc. Most of ya’ll dumb asses still support him. Except for that time he banned bump-stocks (an unregulated un-serialized accessory) with an executive order. And long as the end user adds NOTHING by way of an accessory of any sort. You are currently reading "ATF Withdraws Pistol Brace Guidance", entry #26486 on The Captain's Journal.This article is filed under the category(s) BATFE and was published December 23rd, 2020 by Herschel Smith. They’d probably applaud the ATF for cutting out the middle steps of actually taking the pet before killing it. They were SBRs, short and sweet. I know of no debate, ever, questioning the legality or purpose of “cheeking” a braced gun. You went for poly80 after you sent letters stating that there items are not firearms….come on now when does it stop ✋. And most gun owners yawned. History. . Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with “Stabilizing Braces”, https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/18/2020-27857/objective-factors-for-classifying-weapons-with-stabilizing-braces#open-comment. Make sure you can aim with your braced it, one-handed. I’ve worked with ATF agents in two states. 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